What did Vladimir Putin say to Tucker Carlson? Five main meals News of the Russian-Ukrainian war

On Thursday, President Vladimir Putin He spent two hours He is being questioned by former Fox News host Tucker Carlson in a long-awaited TV interview.

the interview This came shortly before the second anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and at a time when American politicians are seeking to restore military funding for Ukraine.

Here are the five main takeaways:

Putin claims that Clinton backed down from Russia joining NATO

Putin revealed that former US President Bill Clinton told him at some point that Russia would have the opportunity to welcome it into the military alliance, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

“In a meeting here in the Kremlin with outgoing President Bill Clinton, here in the next room, I said to him, I asked him: ‘Bill, do you think that if Russia asked to join NATO, do you think that would happen?’” Suddenly he said, “You know, it’s interesting.” “I think so,” said Putin, speaking through an interpreter.

“But in the evening, when we met for dinner, he said: ‘You know, I talked to my team, ‘No, no, this is not possible now.’ You can ask him. I think he will watch our interview and confirm it.”

“I wouldn’t have said anything like that if it hadn’t happened. Well, well, it’s impossible now,” he added.

“Would you have joined NATO?” Carlson asked. “Look, I asked the question, is this possible or not, and the answer I got was no,” Putin said.

“But if he had said yes, would you have joined NATO?” Carlson said.

He added: “If he had said yes, the process of rapprochement would have begun, and perhaps that would have happened in the end if we had seen some sincere desires on the other side of our partners.” But that didn’t happen. Well, no means no. Okay, okay, Putin said.

Putin also stressed that they were promised that NATO would not expand to the east. “Not an inch to the east… Then what? And they said, ‘Well, it’s not on paper, so we’ll expand.’

“There were five waves of expansion. We endured all of that. We were trying to convince them. We were saying: Please don’t do that. We are bourgeois now like you. We are a market economy, and there is no Communist Party power. Let’s negotiate,” Putin added.

US President Bill Clinton (left) and Russian President Vladimir Putin (right) meet during a signing ceremony for agreements on establishing a joint warning center to exchange information about missile launches.
Former US President Bill Clinton (left) and Russian President Vladimir Putin meet during a signing ceremony for agreements on establishing a joint warning center to exchange information about missile launches (File: Reuters)

Putin says Russia is open to releasing Wall Street Journal journalist

Putin said it might be possible to release Wall Street Journal reporter Ivan Gershkovich, who is awaiting trial on espionage charges, in exchange for a Russian prisoner.

The Russian President indicated that Moscow, in return, wants Germany to release Vadim Krasikov, who was convicted of killing a Chechen oppositionist in Berlin in 2019.

Gershkovich Arrested On March 29, 2023 in the city of Yekaterinburg in the Ural Mountains, he was accused of trying to obtain defense secrets. He and his newspaper strongly reject these accusations, and the US government has classified him as unjustly detained.

“We are ready to solve it, but there are certain conditions that are being discussed through special services channels. I believe that an agreement can be reached,” he stressed, stressing that Western powers will have to take what he called “mutual steps.”

He added: “There are many successful examples of these talks that were crowned with success. It is possible that this will also be crowned with success, but we have to reach an agreement.”

Russia and the United States have agreed in the past to high-level prisoner exchanges — most recently in December 2022 when Moscow replaced Brittney Griner, the American basketball star convicted of a drug crime in Russia, with Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout.

Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovitch, who was arrested in March while on a reporting trip and charged with espionage, stands behind a glass wall of a defendant's cage.
Wall Street Journal reporter Ivan Gershkovich was arrested in March while on a reporting trip and charged with espionage (File: Evgenia Novozhenina/Reuters)

Putin described any US military support for Ukraine as a “provocation”

Carlson asked Putin: “Can you imagine a scenario in which Russia would be prepared to send troops to Poland?”

“In just one case, if Poland attacked Russia, why? “Because we have no interest in Poland, Latvia or anywhere else,” Putin said.

American politicians said: “We must continue to fund the Ukrainian efforts, otherwise American soldiers may end up fighting there. How do you evaluate that?” Carlson asked. This argument is based on the fact that Poland and the Baltic states are members of NATO, and that the alliance’s collective security principle would apply if these countries were attacked, which would necessitate the direct intervention of US forces.

“This is a provocation. I don’t understand why American soldiers should fight in Ukraine,” Putin said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks during an interview with American TV presenter Tucker Carlson
Russian President Vladimir Putin speaks during an interview with American TV presenter Tucker Carlson in Moscow (Gavril Grigorov/Sputnik, via Reuters)

“Well, if someone had the desire to send regular forces, that would certainly put humanity on the brink of a very dangerous global conflict. “This is clear,” Putin added.

Does the United States need this? For what purpose? Thousands of miles from your national territory. Don’t you have anything better to do? You have border issues, immigration issues, national debt issues… You have nothing better to do, so should you fight in Ukraine?

“Wouldn’t it be better to negotiate with Russia? Make an agreement. We already understand the situation that is developing today, and we realize that Russia will fight for its interests until the end.”

Putin also said that a solution would be possible if the United States stopped supplying weapons.

“If you really want to stop the fighting, you have to stop supplying weapons. It will end in a few weeks, that’s all, and then we can agree on some conditions. Before you do that, stop,” Putin said.

“Who blew up the Nord Stream?” Putin suggests it was the CIA

Putin also blamed the CIA for the bombings Nord Stream pipelinesWhich led to cutting off a major route for Russian gas exports to Europe and raising geopolitical tensions.

“Who blew up the Nord Stream?” Carlson asked. “You certainly are,” Putin replied.

“I was busy that day,” Carlson replied jokingly. “You personally may have an excuse, but the CIA has no such excuse,” Putin said.

“Do you have evidence that NATO or the CIA did this?” Carlson said. The Russian president responded, saying: “I will not go into details,” but we must “look for someone who is interested” and “has the capabilities.”

Putin said many people might be interested but not all of them “are able to sink to the bottom of the Baltic Sea and carry out this explosion.”

North Stream
A gas leak from Nord Stream 1 is visible in the Swedish economic zone in the Baltic Sea in this photo taken by Swedish Coast Guard aircraft on September 28, 2022 (Reuters)

Putin said advances in artificial intelligence and genetics pose a threat

Putin said that the world is changing faster than it was during the collapse of the Roman Empire.

He also said: “Humanity is currently facing many threats due to genetic researchers, so it is now possible to create this superhuman. A specialized person. Genetically modified athlete, scientist and military man. There are reports that Elon Musk has already implanted the chip in the human brain in the United States.

“What do you think that?” Carlson asked

“I think there is nothing that can stop Elon Musk. He will do what he sees fit,” Putin said.

“However, you have to find common ground with him and look for ways to convince him,” Putin explained.

He said humanity needed to think about what to do about advances in genetics and artificial intelligence, and suggested that the Cold War nuclear arms control treaties could serve as a guide.

“When an understanding arises that the unlimited and uncontrolled development of artificial intelligence, genetics, or some other modern trend cannot be stopped, then such research will continue to exist just as it was impossible to hide gunpowder from humanity… when humanity feels the threat to humanity,” Putin added: “In and of itself, for humanity as a whole, it seems to me that there will come a period of negotiation at the inter-state level on how to regulate this matter.”

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